Cost for setting up a Representative office in Shanghai

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AlexCBC Original post #1
Hello Everyone, I have set up my company in HongKong 1 year and half ago. I'm planning to set up my representative office (RO) soon in Shanghai. It would be a small office with 2 to 4 employees. I guess that my case in very commun also I would like to use your own experience and get the following infos : - What is the cost of the business license at the begining? and for the renewal?. - I'm going to use a local company for the procedure with the Chinese tax dept. How much that company would charge?. - For the monthly tax payment, should I recruit a accountant full time or do you think that the company who is going to set up the RO for me can do it as well?. Case 1 : What is the average cost for a accountant who can speak english?. Case 2 : How much the company will charge for monthly taxe declaration?. - Similar question but this time for the payment of the employee insurance such as the health insurance. I guess that company can do it as well. How much they would charge for that?. - The monthly tax payment is 10% on all the office's expenses, correct?. Final question ;-)!. My business account in HK is at the HSBC hk. Recently, it is possible to receive payment from mainland in RMB. There is as well HSBC now in China. I guess I should open a business account for my RO in Shanghai in one of the agencies. My question is : Does HSBC is charging Bank charges for money transfert from my Business account in HK to the one in China mainland?. If you have any tips for saving cost, you are, of course, very welcome :-)!. Thanks all for your time and for your kind infos. Alex.

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Cylon #2
For a starter your RO cannot conduct business transactions through its account, you are limited to receiving money from your parent company (HK) and paying rent/utilities/taxes etc.
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leidelaohu #3
The truth is, it's not worth doing an R/O anymore. They've gutted the advantages, the disadvantages are still there or worse, Shanghai in particular has made it clear that they don't want R/O's. Unless your hobby is fighting with the Bureaucracy 24/7, it's a bad deal. I'd look into something else. What the hell, while I'm here ... Set up costs used to be about 5,000 rmb. Might be a bit higher now since they are requiring more stuff. It's not so difficult to do but like all things Chinese, the first time you do it it's a nightmare (except for the KTV girls.) If you have all your ducks in a row it's not so bad ... but now an R/O license is only good for a year. So bye-bye to that advantage. The "services" are pretty useless. You do the work, they take the money. Good deal for someone. Health insurance and social insurance is not a problem. You can only hire through FESCO or similar. Fesco charges a fee each month and they add roughly 50% to the salaries to cover health insurance, social insurance, all that. So it's not your problem. Taxes and filings, for a small r/o you can find a nice retired lady to do the books. Come in once a week or so, charge you 800 a month. More if you are bigger but no reason to pay some flake a bunch of money for nothing. Your tax will be 10% of your costs. You must have a lease in a Class A building to get the license. So you can't squeak by with a funky office in a cool old building like computer solutions has. You're screwed on this. Then you get to pay roughly 10% of everything you spend, including employees you already paid a tax on. Many of the "advantages" turn out to be a sham, underlaid with invisible fine print and unexpected gotchas ! that makes them worthless. R/O's are not cheap. Except for very very special circumstances, the r/o is like most stuff in China - looks pretty, tastes bad. See if there's another way to do what you want.
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edbreejen #4
No accountant needed for an RO except for the annual filing (and that be done for CNY 4-5K). All the tax/legal and bookkeeping stuff costs about 2-3 hours per month + a few days for all the licence renewals (costs another CNY 3-4K if outsourced). Doing this for a couple of years and never had any issues. Tax is indeed around 11% on all costs, see keep a sizeable chunk of your costs offshore (not so difficult if you do this on declaration basis). Before it was possible to get taxed on your revenues (which are legally 0, so no tax), but those days are gone now. Most important: make sure you get good relations at the local tax bureau.

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